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	<title>Comments on: After the CCR Election: Some CRs Want The Drama to Continue</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Chang</title>
		<link>http://danareport.com/2009/04/27/after-the-ccr-election-some-crs-cant-get-over-the-staggering-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-2630</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read Wikipedia&#039;s article on the 1876 election, and it implies that, unlike what I thought I remembered, Tilden wasn&#039;t really wronged, to the degree disenfranchisement was occurring his side was more responsible.  So, that was a bad example for me to pick.

Anyway, here&#039;s to hoping that CCR quietly accepts our arguments and stops Megan from picking more self-destructive fights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read Wikipedia&#8217;s article on the 1876 election, and it implies that, unlike what I thought I remembered, Tilden wasn&#8217;t really wronged, to the degree disenfranchisement was occurring his side was more responsible.  So, that was a bad example for me to pick.</p>
<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s to hoping that CCR quietly accepts our arguments and stops Megan from picking more self-destructive fights.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s late to re-hash all of these arguments that no longer hold any actionable relevance, as far as I can see. It’s really time for everyone who still feels harmed, victimized or left out to find a way to work with the rest of CCR as we all move forward.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with this.  As long as we don&#039;t see &quot;Triton College Republicans&quot; try more party-damaging stunts like tabling near us on Admit Day and driving away lots of conservatives who don&#039;t want to get involved in infighting, you&#039;re right about the lack of actionable relevance.  (I am perfectly fine with them continuing to exist and competing with us.  As Republicans, we should all know that many types of competition are very healthy.  But their lack of a response to our constitutional arguments means that, in isolated cases like Admit Day where competition is not in the party&#039;s interest, they yield to us.  Period.  If this arrangement is unacceptable to them, our arguments still have actionable relevance.)

I will grant that, as wronged as we feel, far, far worse things have happened in American politics.  The 1876 presidential election comes to mind.  Life went on then.  Samuel Tilden remained loyal to the United States.  Life will also go on now.  And we will remain loyal to the Republican Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s late to re-hash all of these arguments that no longer hold any actionable relevance, as far as I can see. It’s really time for everyone who still feels harmed, victimized or left out to find a way to work with the rest of CCR as we all move forward.</i></p>
<p>I agree with this.  As long as we don&#8217;t see &#8220;Triton College Republicans&#8221; try more party-damaging stunts like tabling near us on Admit Day and driving away lots of conservatives who don&#8217;t want to get involved in infighting, you&#8217;re right about the lack of actionable relevance.  (I am perfectly fine with them continuing to exist and competing with us.  As Republicans, we should all know that many types of competition are very healthy.  But their lack of a response to our constitutional arguments means that, in isolated cases like Admit Day where competition is not in the party&#8217;s interest, they yield to us.  Period.  If this arrangement is unacceptable to them, our arguments still have actionable relevance.)</p>
<p>I will grant that, as wronged as we feel, far, far worse things have happened in American politics.  The 1876 presidential election comes to mind.  Life went on then.  Samuel Tilden remained loyal to the United States.  Life will also go on now.  And we will remain loyal to the Republican Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inez, sorry that I didn&#039;t correct my last comment earlier. I checked it out and found that you were told that you could speak if a motion was made for you to explain your case on the floor, I don&#039;t know if that would have gone through or not had it been you instead of Alvaro, who&#039;s school was not in the same position as yours, but Marshall was given the opportunity and we can&#039;t go back in time.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s just an assumption that the delegates knew what they were voting on, anyone on the floor who was unsure could have asked for an explanation of the situation, and did not. From that, I&#039;m inferring that they did not need the explanation, meaning that they were informed. As for your constitutional arguments, since the convention is already over, I don&#039;t know how useful they are except for in their use in your continuing struggle to bring the CRs at UCSD to a satisfactory agreement on how you will continue, either together or appart. 

It&#039;s late to re-hash all of these arguments that no longer hold any actionable relevance, as far as I can see. It&#039;s really time for everyone who still feels harmed, victimized or left out to find a way to work with the rest of CCR as we all move forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inez, sorry that I didn&#8217;t correct my last comment earlier. I checked it out and found that you were told that you could speak if a motion was made for you to explain your case on the floor, I don&#8217;t know if that would have gone through or not had it been you instead of Alvaro, who&#8217;s school was not in the same position as yours, but Marshall was given the opportunity and we can&#8217;t go back in time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s just an assumption that the delegates knew what they were voting on, anyone on the floor who was unsure could have asked for an explanation of the situation, and did not. From that, I&#8217;m inferring that they did not need the explanation, meaning that they were informed. As for your constitutional arguments, since the convention is already over, I don&#8217;t know how useful they are except for in their use in your continuing struggle to bring the CRs at UCSD to a satisfactory agreement on how you will continue, either together or appart. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s late to re-hash all of these arguments that no longer hold any actionable relevance, as far as I can see. It&#8217;s really time for everyone who still feels harmed, victimized or left out to find a way to work with the rest of CCR as we all move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Inez Feltscher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inez Feltscher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was told before the vote that I would be allowed to speak.  Marshall had to instead because we were cordoned off in the back and not recognized to speak.  Alvaro was not allowed to speak even when Marshall yielded his time to UCLA, so I didn&#039;t even bother.

And I do challenge the assumption that people knew what they were voting on, because there hasn&#039;t been a single counter to my constitutional arguments.  There isn&#039;t one that I can think of, but no one has even attempted to give me an argument to counter mine, and instead I wasn&#039;t allowed to give mine to the delegates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told before the vote that I would be allowed to speak.  Marshall had to instead because we were cordoned off in the back and not recognized to speak.  Alvaro was not allowed to speak even when Marshall yielded his time to UCLA, so I didn&#8217;t even bother.</p>
<p>And I do challenge the assumption that people knew what they were voting on, because there hasn&#8217;t been a single counter to my constitutional arguments.  There isn&#8217;t one that I can think of, but no one has even attempted to give me an argument to counter mine, and instead I wasn&#8217;t allowed to give mine to the delegates.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://crnation.com/2009/04/26/antonopoulos-wins-ccr-chairmanship-in-landslide/#comment-125818&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment I made at CR Nation&lt;/a&gt;.

When you think an action is right, you are capable of explaining why.  Especially when given three weeks to do so.  &quot;It is right because I say it is&quot; is not an explanation, particularly when there&#039;s a plausible conflict of interest.  Something that actually countered UCSD Argument #4 would have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, see <a href="http://crnation.com/2009/04/26/antonopoulos-wins-ccr-chairmanship-in-landslide/#comment-125818" rel="nofollow">this comment I made at CR Nation</a>.</p>
<p>When you think an action is right, you are capable of explaining why.  Especially when given three weeks to do so.  &#8220;It is right because I say it is&#8221; is not an explanation, particularly when there&#8217;s a plausible conflict of interest.  Something that actually countered UCSD Argument #4 would have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, what I don&#039;t get about your &quot;logical argument&quot; is why you think the actions would have been defensible if they had in fact been done in order to secure votes--that, to me, seems like it would have been corruption. Instead, the election results show clearly that CCR&#039;s actions at  UCSD were not intended to underhandedly secure votes for RevCCR, but were taken because CCR thought them to be right.

I was there, I don&#039;t remember Inez asking to speak, only Marshall speaking on behalf of UCSD (since he was actually a delegate), and don&#039;t know of any promise having been made to her. 

What political risk are you talking about? It wouldn&#039;t have been a risk for Revolutionize, and anyway, it wasn&#039;t their call it was CCR&#039;s. Every delegate was given a chance to vote on CCR&#039;s decision and Inez&#039;s club lost. What was &lt;em&gt;uninformed&lt;/em&gt; about the vote? Don&#039;t belittle CRs by saying they didn&#039;t know what they were voting on.

It&#039;s over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, what I don&#8217;t get about your &#8220;logical argument&#8221; is why you think the actions would have been defensible if they had in fact been done in order to secure votes&#8211;that, to me, seems like it would have been corruption. Instead, the election results show clearly that CCR&#8217;s actions at  UCSD were not intended to underhandedly secure votes for RevCCR, but were taken because CCR thought them to be right.</p>
<p>I was there, I don&#8217;t remember Inez asking to speak, only Marshall speaking on behalf of UCSD (since he was actually a delegate), and don&#8217;t know of any promise having been made to her. </p>
<p>What political risk are you talking about? It wouldn&#8217;t have been a risk for Revolutionize, and anyway, it wasn&#8217;t their call it was CCR&#8217;s. Every delegate was given a chance to vote on CCR&#8217;s decision and Inez&#8217;s club lost. What was <em>uninformed</em> about the vote? Don&#8217;t belittle CRs by saying they didn&#8217;t know what they were voting on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s over.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The vote tallies leave the disgruntled chapters with little defense; their criticisms sound serious, but are unjustified, what is more fair than a vote of the entire state organization?&lt;/i&gt;

An &lt;i&gt;informed&lt;/i&gt; vote of the entire state organization?

As Inez points out, Revolutionize CCR&#039;s dishonor (in refusing to even let her speak, after promising otherwise!) is inexcusable precisely because they had the election locked up.  If they didn&#039;t, it could at least be defended as politics as usual, even if it still, in isolation, would unambiguously have been wrong.  (Don&#039;t agree?  Then present a counter to UCSD Argument #4 under the link Inez provided.)  But since they would have won regardless, they&#039;ve proven they&#039;re currently incapable of taking even a trivial political risk to do the right thing.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion about our criticisms being &quot;serious, but... unjustified&quot;, and as the proprietor of this blog you have every right to voice said opinion on your front page.  As a Republican in 2009, however, I imagine you see yourself as someone who prefers to support the competent and right side over the wrong and currently more powerful side in a conflict.  It may not be clear to you now (even privately) whether or not the UCSD situation fits this description.  But I suspect it will become more clear in the future, and when it does, you may want to think about what you&#039;re trying to do with your blogging and reevaluate your expressed opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The vote tallies leave the disgruntled chapters with little defense; their criticisms sound serious, but are unjustified, what is more fair than a vote of the entire state organization?</i></p>
<p>An <i>informed</i> vote of the entire state organization?</p>
<p>As Inez points out, Revolutionize CCR&#8217;s dishonor (in refusing to even let her speak, after promising otherwise!) is inexcusable precisely because they had the election locked up.  If they didn&#8217;t, it could at least be defended as politics as usual, even if it still, in isolation, would unambiguously have been wrong.  (Don&#8217;t agree?  Then present a counter to UCSD Argument #4 under the link Inez provided.)  But since they would have won regardless, they&#8217;ve proven they&#8217;re currently incapable of taking even a trivial political risk to do the right thing.</p>
<p>You are, of course, entitled to your opinion about our criticisms being &#8220;serious, but&#8230; unjustified&#8221;, and as the proprietor of this blog you have every right to voice said opinion on your front page.  As a Republican in 2009, however, I imagine you see yourself as someone who prefers to support the competent and right side over the wrong and currently more powerful side in a conflict.  It may not be clear to you now (even privately) whether or not the UCSD situation fits this description.  But I suspect it will become more clear in the future, and when it does, you may want to think about what you&#8217;re trying to do with your blogging and reevaluate your expressed opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Inez Feltscher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inez Feltscher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everything you say is trueabout Revolutionize having the election locked up, which I don&#039;t dispute, then it is even worse that you didn&#039;t even allow us to make our case.  Silencing the opposition is what the left is supposed to be good at.  I was assured before the vote by several ExComm members that I would be allowed to put forward a motion and to speak.  Perhaps you couldn&#039;t allow us to speak because there is NO REASONABLE ARGUMENT against the legitimacy of College Republicans at UCSD.  No matter which side&#039;s &quot;facts&quot; you believe, our club retains Constitutional legitimacy.  This is not about RSR or any election, this is about silencing the opposition to cover your own reputation.

http://gop.ucsd.edu/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=category&amp;id=18:constitutional-legitimacy-by-inez-feltscher&amp;Itemid=20&amp;layout=default</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everything you say is trueabout Revolutionize having the election locked up, which I don&#8217;t dispute, then it is even worse that you didn&#8217;t even allow us to make our case.  Silencing the opposition is what the left is supposed to be good at.  I was assured before the vote by several ExComm members that I would be allowed to put forward a motion and to speak.  Perhaps you couldn&#8217;t allow us to speak because there is NO REASONABLE ARGUMENT against the legitimacy of College Republicans at UCSD.  No matter which side&#8217;s &#8220;facts&#8221; you believe, our club retains Constitutional legitimacy.  This is not about RSR or any election, this is about silencing the opposition to cover your own reputation.</p>
<p><a href="http://gop.ucsd.edu/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=category&amp;id=18:constitutional-legitimacy-by-inez-feltscher&amp;Itemid=20&amp;layout=default" rel="nofollow">http://gop.ucsd.edu/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=category&amp;id=18:constitutional-legitimacy-by-inez-feltscher&amp;Itemid=20&amp;layout=default</a></p>
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		<title>By: TheDanaReport (TheDanaReport)</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheDanaReport (TheDanaReport)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post #tcot: After the CCR Election: Some CRs Want The Drama to Continue: I had the pleasure o.. http://tinyurl.com/c36sl5</description>
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